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    Quote Originally Posted by steve447
    $140,000, without factoring in the benefits, is comparable to what research scientists (Ph.D. in something a bit harder than Education), system analysts, many lawyers, most engineers, nurse practitioners, etc. make.

    It's far more than most nurses or therapists make.

    We have lost all perspective if we believe that this 2 school town needs to pay someone $140,000/year, plus insanely over-done benefits. There is simply no way that a Ph.D. in education is comparable to the degrees that these other people must obtain.

    These other people are smarter, on average, and provide productivity far more valuable to both themselves and society as a whole than what our Superintendent generates.

    And people wonder why our nation is going bankrupt? The Emperor Has No Clothes.
    How clueless can you (fatboyrd and most likely chasboots) be? To argue that one person in any one of those professions is more productive is absurd. Using your logic, you should also be arguing that corporations don't need CEOs (you know those rich fat-cats that you defend who are paid ten of millions of dollars while their stock is in free-fall); let the group presidents or even the vice-presidents run the company, they are paid a lot less. Or, how about those Wall Street tycoons with their eight-figure bonuses while their stock and other financial instrument recommendations are spiraling downward. As a defender of greed, you should celebrate anyone getting a mere six-figure salary. The only difference here is that you see a direct connection between your real estate taxes and a superintendent's salary.
    A Superintendent is not a babysitter, she's the one responsible for the education of about 1,000 children and managing a staff of 100+ (in our case). In larger school systems you will find assistant superintendents and a curriculum director in addition to a principal in every school building. In our district it is the superintendent that keeps abreast of changes in teaching methods and curriculum development, and after analysis institutes the best of those changes in our district. It was pointed out in an earlier message that fiscally we are better than any other "I" district. If he (Dr. Brennan) were a CEO of a company with a budget the size our school district's, not only would he be making more than $146,000 (Dr. Brennan) but he would be getting a sizable bonus. And, you would argue that is appropriate.
    By the way, I'm glad to see that you found the courage to come out of your corner to spew neocon, right-wingnut, illogical, hypocritical inanities. We've missed them.

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    In our district it is the superintendent that keeps abreast of changes in teaching methods and curriculum development, and after analysis institutes the best of those changes in our district.
    JOB DESCRIPTION
    ELEMENTARY PRINCIPAL

    The elementary principal is hired by the Superintendent of Schools as the educational leader and educational resource person. He/she is thoroughly familiar with principles of child, early adolescent, and educational psychology; with the content, scope and sequence of the several disciplines taught in the elementary schools, with the instructional materials that are available; and with promising, as well as the proven instructional methods. The Superintendent of schools may, on occasion, call upon his/her to give wider scope to his/her professional competencies, experience and judgment by serving on a curriculum or other committee. He/she evaluates the performance of teachers and advises the Superintendent with reference to recommendations for employment and reappointment.

    Responsibility and Authority

    The elementary school principal is responsible to the Superintendent for the organization, administration, and supervision of instruction and discipline of the school.

    The elementary school principal, with commensurate authority, is responsible for the fulfillment of the duties set forth below. He/she may delegate to members of his/her staff appropriate portions of his/her responsibilities together with appropriate authority for their fulfillment; however, he/she may not delegate or relinquish his/her overall responsibility or any portion of his/her accountability.

    Duties

    1. Implements the policies of the school committee and the directives of the Superintendent of schools.

    2. Exerts leadership in the adaptation of the general program of education approved for the city schools to meet the particular needs of the community served.

    3. Oversees, supervises and certifies the preparation, accuracy, and maintenance of a wide variety of records and reports.

    4. Administers the budget appropriation allocated to the school.

    5. Is responsible for all moneys collected on the operation of the school and the keeping of accurate records of these funds.

    6. Participates in the yearly determination of textbooks-reviewing, evaluating and recommending preferred and optional texts, and also recommends the discarding of certain texts.

    7. Reports to the Superintendent of schools, regarding the needs of the school with respect to personnel, equipment, supplies and curriculum.

    8. Furnishes the necessary supplies and instructional aids to staff for the improvement of instruction.

    9. Supervises the maintenance, cleanliness and security of the building and its contents.

    10. Promotes good health practices, and enforces the rules regarding immunizations and Communicable diseases.

    11. Promotes safety in the school by having a systematic program of fire drills, pedestrian traffic control and periodic inspection of buildings and grounds.

    12. Provides leadership in the improvement of the total educational program within the School by visiting classrooms, conferring with teachers, giving leadership in curriculum improvement and assisting in the selection and use of instructional materials.

    13. Supervises the instructional staff to the end that the purposes of the educational program may be attained.

    14. Directs the activities of all members of the staff assigned to the school in the performance of their duties.

    15. Oversees the orientation of all new faculty members, insuring that these new members will be totally familiar with school philosophy, texts, guides, personnel policies and school financing.

    16. Aids teachers in the interpretation of the courses of study and other instructional supplies and materials.

    17. Stimulates professional improvement through a well-planned in-service training program
    for the faculty.

    18. Aids teachers with their daily programs and lesson plans when needed.

    19. Shares in the development of curricular programs for the district and assumes the responsibility for the implementation of such programs when approved.

    20. Consults regularly with and coordinates the services of subject specialists so that all classroom teachers may receive effective assistance.

    21. Motivates faculty personnel; encourages professional development; recognizes efficiency and accomplishments of non-certified personnel; encourages development of student body spirit through rewards, privileges, recognition and disciplinary measures.

    22. Utilizes to the fullest, all resources of the school system and the community in developing the most effective educational program.

    23. Personally controls activities involving pupil/parent contacts such as dealing with suspensions, expulsions, student progress and adjustment, placement of students, guidance and counseling matters and other pupil/parent relationships that are delicate in nature.

    24. Provides for individual differences and tries to place each student in an atmosphere which will stimulate learning and progress.

    25. Is available at all times to consult with parents and teachers concerning the welfare of any student.

    26. Promotes good public relations at all times in the school and community by the proper interpretation of the educational program.

    27. Promotes his/her professional growth through reading, attending conferences and workshops in order to provide professional leadership of the highest type.

    28. Submits written reports upon request to the Superintendent.

    29. Any and all other duties as assigned by the Superintendent.


    And what was it that the superintendent does?

    The only downfall to having one person carry both job titles is the principal "reports" directly to the superintendent. If a parent has an issue that the principal doesn't rectify, the next step on the ladder is the superintendent, hence being one in the same.

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    By the way, I'm glad to see that you found the courage to come out of your corner to spew neocon, right-wingnut, illogical, hypocritical inanities. We've missed them.
    Boy do you don't know how to read a person worth crap ! I am far from any of the idiotic names you called me...... I am a middle of the road liberal who totally understands your diatribe and doesn't agree with your pay scale .
    AS for what goes on and what responsibilities a Superintendent does in any given day, nowhere did I say that individual was thought of as just a glorified "babysitter." but they don't have to be paid like "royalty" either just because they micro-manage 100+ employees and are responsible for the education of 1,000 students ........ I'm sure there are plenty of young highly educated professionals in the education field who would jump at the opportunity to run a 2 school system for less pay ......... does that make them a bad choice ?? No I just think it makes them driven to prove themselves and gain the opportunity later to earn more money . That's what's wrong with society, it used to be you needed to prove yourself to receive a higher salary, now it's modest' operandi to just hand out the cash without really seeing if the person really can do the job .
    Sure everybody likes to bring home a nice big fat paycheck but tell me this Ghostryder in your job did you waltz into a huge salary right off the start or did you have to prove youself 1st before you made the big bucks?
    I can tell you when I worked as a Chef I had to prove myself in the beginning of my career and then later made nice money and that was after many long hard hours at my trade .

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatboyrd
    By the way, I'm glad to see that you found the courage to come out of your corner to spew neocon, right-wingnut, illogical, hypocritical inanities. We've missed them.
    Boy do you don't know how to read a person worth crap
    The "clueless" comment was directed at you as an after-thought, hence the parenthetical. If you have been following the back and forth between Steve447 and me, where Steve447 challenges me, I respond, and then he disappears, you'd understand that the quote was only directed at Steve447. If you thought it was meant for you (or Chasboots) it wasn't; I apologize.ops:
    As for your comment about waltzing into a job and commanding a big salary, that's what job hopping among the executive ranks is all about. To bring it closer to home and on point, Lopat's superintendent left after three years for almost a $40K raise according to the Express-Times.

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    If he (Dr. Brennan) were a CEO of a company with a budget the size our school district's, not only would he be making more than $146,000 (Dr. Brennan) but he would be getting a sizable bonus.
    I'm not sure why the comment about if Dr. Brennan was a CEO was made..., since he does not have a degree in finance, his degree is in education, I don't think he'll be getting a CEO job. We pay a business manager very well to manager the district finances. Are we forgetting that it's the district business manager that handles the finance.

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    Right. But think of it this way. Our school district is like a business with over 900 employees. One Superintendent, like a CEO, the Business Administrator is like the CFO, the two principals (one at each school) are upper level management. And they are responsible for producing our country's best resource. Our educated children.

    We should also take into account all the hours the Superintendent puts in. He/She is there for every late night meeting, at the school before 6am on a snow day, and present for most school functions (Stag night, concerts, family fun night, etc). Don't forget county and state-wide conferences and all those meetings with the other supers in the cluster districts as they plan for the new high school. And, he or she does not get the summer off.

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    Good response Big T, I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm just amazed at how some folks here claim to be pro-business as opposed to pro-middle class and are clueless about how bigger businesses are structured. Makes you wonder if they understand what they are arguing for rather than just spouting off talking points from various "conservative" talk shows or websites.

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    Yes, that's an excellent response.

    Now, where are these 900 employees, again? The district's website mentions that they have about 1,200 students - and that includes the kids we send to P'Burg. It also mentions that our student/teacher ratio is about 21 to 1. Call it 20 to 1.

    So you can account for 60 teachers, even if you didn't include the kids going to P'Burg.

    Tell me, what do the other 840 employees do? Or are you counting the students as "employees" that this captain of industry (with a budget of <$14MM/year) has to lead?

    We are broke. Bernanke and these other geniuses are now saying that we can put up to 50% of the GNP (that's almost $8T - trillion, with a "T") to prop up all of the banks, Boscov's, Buicks, and whatever else comes along. Corzine is talking about raising - you guessed it - property taxes on an already overburdened populace. Pelosi states that a "stimulus" bill will be on Obama's desk the day he takes office.

    This is an economic crisis.

    So who in their right mind believes that little'ol Stewartsville should face the crisis by spending more $?

    We've gotten along fine without a superintendent. We already have to very capable and well compensated principals. We already have a very capable and well compensated assistant principal. We have assistants, and psychologists, and nurses, and a whole phalanx of people aligned to this and it's been working just fine.

    Why, again, would we want to spend another $200,000?

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    We've gotten along fine without a superintendent. We already have to very capable and well compensated principals. We already have a very capable and well compensated assistant principal. We have assistants, and psychologists, and nurses, and a whole phalanx of people aligned to this and it's been working just fine.

    Why, again, would we want to spend another $200,000?
    Truer words were never spoken......... the people running our school district are doing a excellent job so like Steve447 said why do we need to spend the $200K on a Superintendent....... the BOE of the school district I'm sure could spend the money on other things that would benefit the students and the people who actually teach them daily . IMO sometimes too much administration isn't always the answer to achieve the final results and that is that the students of Greenwich Township receive the very best education ............students are not like the bottom line of a company and shouldn't be thought of in the same type of way . ....... Educating our children should be a nurturing experience bringing out their very best in their young minds and nothing else........

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostRyder
    How clueless can you (fatboyrd and most likely chasboots) be?
    I would appreciate it if you not make assumptions about any position I may have on a topic when I've offered nothing on the subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by fatboyrd
    I hear sheeple bitching all the time on here and around the township that their taxes are too high.........duh ! paying somebody $140K plus bennies which then drives that salary closer to $200K well then no wonder your taxes suck ! Nobody questions anything just open the wallet and pay,pay, pay....... the sheeple need to grow a set and question decisions like this .
    Unfortunately, to the point of our portion of taxes that go towards the schools, too many people are barking up the wrong tree (i.e. the Township Committee). The school board adopts a budget which is put to a vote by the residents. I daresay that it only requires a handful of BoE members, friends and family to vote in favor or the measure to get approval.

    What needs to happen if for residents to become engaged in the process that includes public hearings on the budget followed by voting. Notifying the residents in a timely fashion of these events seems to be a failing of the schools. I recall getting notification in the mail of a public meeting on the school budge AFTER the meeting had taken place. That is wholly unacceptable.

    I think the first place to start is with the budget and the BoE. If the budget is excessive or includes expenditures that are unnecessary then they need to know that. Part of that may include the Superintendent's position.

    Ideally, it would be great if we could also get the town to provide a public report directly to the residents (instead of being filtered through the state) on the cost-benefit of expenditures. Are the students learning enough? Are any teachers not performing well? As stakeholders in the education of our children and shareholders in the institutions that provide that education, we deserve to know if we're getting a good return on our investment. If we're not then the BoE members need to be replaced no differently than any other elected official who fails to meet the expectations of the voters.

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